Wa al-Salam, Is that a sign that you are accepting your utter inadequacy to partake in a rational discussion? Where does science fit into it?
Let me first reply to Moe: as I said in my post, PIERO SAID:
2. I don't this makes sense either since neither are truth claims. Do Fiqh scholars use it as part of Islamic jurisprudence?
But unfortunately people are not willing to follow Islam because changing your own self is harder, the easy route is to engage in intellectual conversion.
Tom Topping School Board, In light of the above, the argument that the Qur’ān is a miracle because the descriptions of certain words it uses seem to relate to descriptions of words used in scientific facts, is logically fallacious. Kent Shocknek Earthquake,
How can you take a scientific theory like the Big Bang which is based on certain assumptions and has competing, alternative theories facing it (like quantum gravity) and use that as a proof to show the veracity of a Mutawaatir, 100% certain verse?
He claimed that the Qur’ān did not predate modern scientific conclusions in the field. What papers have they published with regards to Islamic jurisprudence, Hadeeth, Tafseer or any other Islamic sciences? Why doesn’t he just share his experiences with people and not repeat his mistakes, as this is affecting many people. One good article to start out with is at: http://sunnianswers.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/the-foundations-of-the-religion/. @cag Of course if people exaggerate the use of empiricism and claim that that is the only way to progress in science then we say it is the attitude problem rather than methodology. #post 13
In other words, it must not be a tenuous link. Regrettably, large numbers of these ‘Imams’ are not interested in the affairs of people, let alone the Muslims. What are the conditions laid down in Usool at-Tafseer to be able to make comments on Qur’anic verses? So we need to understand the differences between someone accepted as an authority in Islam by consensus and someone who has knowledge of the Qur’an and Hadith but is not a formal authority. The main problem with strong empiricism is that it can only base its conclusions on observed realities and cannot make conclusions on unobserved realities.
This is not the way to go through a learning curve.
Science or scientists do not favour such absurd claims. Since this statement has the form of an unrestricted universal generalization, it follows that no finite number of observations can conclusively establish its truth. Gamers Guide To Pretty Much Everything Season 1 Episode 10, Double Story House For Sale In Craigieburn, Numerical Methods For Ordinary Differential Equations John C Butcher.
If we were to go along with this, would it mean that the creation of non-humans through evolution was not a miracle? It is also imprecise, because would we then include the social or the life sciences under such terminology?
"I think it is not worth debating him in front of a crowd of his intellectal peers" Its worth a listen as it exhibits the tactics employed by…Read more →
One attempt to reconcile the theory of evolution and the orthodox interpretation of the Qur’ān is to accept evolution for non-humans and to claim that the creation of Adam was a miracle. By the way, you're very immature for someone your age.
Also Gracie Brazilian Jiu Jitsu | TheDeenShow, The Evil of Black Magic ??
o Hamza Tzortzis is one of the public speakers speaking on behalf of Islam.
'Maryam Namzie', the doors of forgiveness is not closed till the day of resurrection. Broadford Land For Sale, In his two examples, the one about embryology is valid and clear. These responses have created an unresolved dilemma for the empiricist. Imagine an unqualified surgeon teaching others how to do surgery on a patient through trial and error.
Yes, the way you say things matters, your personality matters, your manners matter. Attempt a reply.
When people cannot attack the Qur’an and Islam directly, some so-called Muslims ‘scholars’ are opening holes for the enemies to attack the Qur’an and to refute something which is not Qur’an but is simply presented as if it were the Qur’an. True @Nina, Maryam is the one of greatest names in Islam. The simple answer is we need a new approach. [There is also the problem of interpreting the literal meaning of the word as a metaphorical one. They only exist for a moment.
[55] So from this perspective it agrees with the predominant scientific view of the time.
Err, yes that's why he was so busy promoting his debate with me and talking about before it was even set!
What about the alternative valid interpretations of these verses that are unscientific or crude? o The bigger question is: “Can you really understand the Qur’an?” When I say Qur’an I mean the original Arabic text I am referring to, not the translation or the Tafseer books which are translated to English or any other language. It is similar to nature, there are some verses which are fixed and clear and there are also other verses with dynamic nature. Great article otherwise. which can mean a clinging substance, a leech or a worm, and a blood clot, or blood in a general sense. The Verse does not even mention the 7 Earths like what is mentioned in the last verse of Surah at-Talaq. You can watch a lecture based on the content of this essay by Hamza Andreas Tzortzis here. Take care of yourself :D Relax, don't get so worked up. Now if they are not, then how can you take their material and spread it around as so called ‘original material’ related to the Qur’an? Hordes Of The Underdark Item Codes,
The Hafiz has given one reply to this issue. Again, this reminds me of certain Hadeeth fabricator establishments that would fabricate Ahaadeeth with good intentions in the early centuries of Islam to attract people into more worship or make them better practitioners of the religion.
Uses Of Xenon,
These include, 1. I think it’s more likely that he doesn’t want to debate me…. Mum Vs Raj T20 2010,
Below is a summary: 1. The one who engages otherwise is basically causing harm as we are now saying.
Bulk Powders Referral Code,
They have been looking for proofs whether the atom is divisible or not. Now i worry that on the basis of hadith Allah created Adam alayhis salam on his image they will argue for Allah’s nipples, arm pit hair, nails, nasal hair, and the rest i leave you to expand on. He is a complete idiot.
Let me first reply to Moe: as I said in my post, PIERO SAID:
2. I don't this makes sense either since neither are truth claims. Do Fiqh scholars use it as part of Islamic jurisprudence?
But unfortunately people are not willing to follow Islam because changing your own self is harder, the easy route is to engage in intellectual conversion.
Tom Topping School Board, In light of the above, the argument that the Qur’ān is a miracle because the descriptions of certain words it uses seem to relate to descriptions of words used in scientific facts, is logically fallacious. Kent Shocknek Earthquake,
How can you take a scientific theory like the Big Bang which is based on certain assumptions and has competing, alternative theories facing it (like quantum gravity) and use that as a proof to show the veracity of a Mutawaatir, 100% certain verse?
He claimed that the Qur’ān did not predate modern scientific conclusions in the field. What papers have they published with regards to Islamic jurisprudence, Hadeeth, Tafseer or any other Islamic sciences? Why doesn’t he just share his experiences with people and not repeat his mistakes, as this is affecting many people. One good article to start out with is at: http://sunnianswers.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/the-foundations-of-the-religion/. @cag Of course if people exaggerate the use of empiricism and claim that that is the only way to progress in science then we say it is the attitude problem rather than methodology. #post 13
In other words, it must not be a tenuous link. Regrettably, large numbers of these ‘Imams’ are not interested in the affairs of people, let alone the Muslims. What are the conditions laid down in Usool at-Tafseer to be able to make comments on Qur’anic verses? So we need to understand the differences between someone accepted as an authority in Islam by consensus and someone who has knowledge of the Qur’an and Hadith but is not a formal authority. The main problem with strong empiricism is that it can only base its conclusions on observed realities and cannot make conclusions on unobserved realities.
This is not the way to go through a learning curve.
Science or scientists do not favour such absurd claims. Since this statement has the form of an unrestricted universal generalization, it follows that no finite number of observations can conclusively establish its truth. Gamers Guide To Pretty Much Everything Season 1 Episode 10, Double Story House For Sale In Craigieburn, Numerical Methods For Ordinary Differential Equations John C Butcher.
If we were to go along with this, would it mean that the creation of non-humans through evolution was not a miracle? It is also imprecise, because would we then include the social or the life sciences under such terminology?
"I think it is not worth debating him in front of a crowd of his intellectal peers" Its worth a listen as it exhibits the tactics employed by…Read more →
One attempt to reconcile the theory of evolution and the orthodox interpretation of the Qur’ān is to accept evolution for non-humans and to claim that the creation of Adam was a miracle. By the way, you're very immature for someone your age.
Also Gracie Brazilian Jiu Jitsu | TheDeenShow, The Evil of Black Magic ??
o Hamza Tzortzis is one of the public speakers speaking on behalf of Islam.
'Maryam Namzie', the doors of forgiveness is not closed till the day of resurrection. Broadford Land For Sale, In his two examples, the one about embryology is valid and clear. These responses have created an unresolved dilemma for the empiricist. Imagine an unqualified surgeon teaching others how to do surgery on a patient through trial and error.
Yes, the way you say things matters, your personality matters, your manners matter. Attempt a reply.
When people cannot attack the Qur’an and Islam directly, some so-called Muslims ‘scholars’ are opening holes for the enemies to attack the Qur’an and to refute something which is not Qur’an but is simply presented as if it were the Qur’an. True @Nina, Maryam is the one of greatest names in Islam. The simple answer is we need a new approach. [There is also the problem of interpreting the literal meaning of the word as a metaphorical one. They only exist for a moment.
[55] So from this perspective it agrees with the predominant scientific view of the time.
Err, yes that's why he was so busy promoting his debate with me and talking about before it was even set!
What about the alternative valid interpretations of these verses that are unscientific or crude? o The bigger question is: “Can you really understand the Qur’an?” When I say Qur’an I mean the original Arabic text I am referring to, not the translation or the Tafseer books which are translated to English or any other language. It is similar to nature, there are some verses which are fixed and clear and there are also other verses with dynamic nature. Great article otherwise. which can mean a clinging substance, a leech or a worm, and a blood clot, or blood in a general sense. The Verse does not even mention the 7 Earths like what is mentioned in the last verse of Surah at-Talaq. You can watch a lecture based on the content of this essay by Hamza Andreas Tzortzis here. Take care of yourself :D Relax, don't get so worked up. Now if they are not, then how can you take their material and spread it around as so called ‘original material’ related to the Qur’an? Hordes Of The Underdark Item Codes,
The Hafiz has given one reply to this issue. Again, this reminds me of certain Hadeeth fabricator establishments that would fabricate Ahaadeeth with good intentions in the early centuries of Islam to attract people into more worship or make them better practitioners of the religion.
Uses Of Xenon,
These include, 1. I think it’s more likely that he doesn’t want to debate me…. Mum Vs Raj T20 2010,
Below is a summary: 1. The one who engages otherwise is basically causing harm as we are now saying.
Bulk Powders Referral Code,
They have been looking for proofs whether the atom is divisible or not. Now i worry that on the basis of hadith Allah created Adam alayhis salam on his image they will argue for Allah’s nipples, arm pit hair, nails, nasal hair, and the rest i leave you to expand on. He is a complete idiot.
Let me first reply to Moe: as I said in my post, PIERO SAID:
2. I don't this makes sense either since neither are truth claims. Do Fiqh scholars use it as part of Islamic jurisprudence?
But unfortunately people are not willing to follow Islam because changing your own self is harder, the easy route is to engage in intellectual conversion.
Tom Topping School Board, In light of the above, the argument that the Qur’ān is a miracle because the descriptions of certain words it uses seem to relate to descriptions of words used in scientific facts, is logically fallacious. Kent Shocknek Earthquake,
How can you take a scientific theory like the Big Bang which is based on certain assumptions and has competing, alternative theories facing it (like quantum gravity) and use that as a proof to show the veracity of a Mutawaatir, 100% certain verse?
He claimed that the Qur’ān did not predate modern scientific conclusions in the field. What papers have they published with regards to Islamic jurisprudence, Hadeeth, Tafseer or any other Islamic sciences? Why doesn’t he just share his experiences with people and not repeat his mistakes, as this is affecting many people. One good article to start out with is at: http://sunnianswers.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/the-foundations-of-the-religion/. @cag Of course if people exaggerate the use of empiricism and claim that that is the only way to progress in science then we say it is the attitude problem rather than methodology. #post 13
In other words, it must not be a tenuous link. Regrettably, large numbers of these ‘Imams’ are not interested in the affairs of people, let alone the Muslims. What are the conditions laid down in Usool at-Tafseer to be able to make comments on Qur’anic verses? So we need to understand the differences between someone accepted as an authority in Islam by consensus and someone who has knowledge of the Qur’an and Hadith but is not a formal authority. The main problem with strong empiricism is that it can only base its conclusions on observed realities and cannot make conclusions on unobserved realities.
This is not the way to go through a learning curve.
Science or scientists do not favour such absurd claims. Since this statement has the form of an unrestricted universal generalization, it follows that no finite number of observations can conclusively establish its truth. Gamers Guide To Pretty Much Everything Season 1 Episode 10, Double Story House For Sale In Craigieburn, Numerical Methods For Ordinary Differential Equations John C Butcher.
If we were to go along with this, would it mean that the creation of non-humans through evolution was not a miracle? It is also imprecise, because would we then include the social or the life sciences under such terminology?
"I think it is not worth debating him in front of a crowd of his intellectal peers" Its worth a listen as it exhibits the tactics employed by…Read more →
One attempt to reconcile the theory of evolution and the orthodox interpretation of the Qur’ān is to accept evolution for non-humans and to claim that the creation of Adam was a miracle. By the way, you're very immature for someone your age.
Also Gracie Brazilian Jiu Jitsu | TheDeenShow, The Evil of Black Magic ??
o Hamza Tzortzis is one of the public speakers speaking on behalf of Islam.
'Maryam Namzie', the doors of forgiveness is not closed till the day of resurrection. Broadford Land For Sale, In his two examples, the one about embryology is valid and clear. These responses have created an unresolved dilemma for the empiricist. Imagine an unqualified surgeon teaching others how to do surgery on a patient through trial and error.
Yes, the way you say things matters, your personality matters, your manners matter. Attempt a reply.
When people cannot attack the Qur’an and Islam directly, some so-called Muslims ‘scholars’ are opening holes for the enemies to attack the Qur’an and to refute something which is not Qur’an but is simply presented as if it were the Qur’an. True @Nina, Maryam is the one of greatest names in Islam. The simple answer is we need a new approach. [There is also the problem of interpreting the literal meaning of the word as a metaphorical one. They only exist for a moment.
[55] So from this perspective it agrees with the predominant scientific view of the time.
Err, yes that's why he was so busy promoting his debate with me and talking about before it was even set!
What about the alternative valid interpretations of these verses that are unscientific or crude? o The bigger question is: “Can you really understand the Qur’an?” When I say Qur’an I mean the original Arabic text I am referring to, not the translation or the Tafseer books which are translated to English or any other language. It is similar to nature, there are some verses which are fixed and clear and there are also other verses with dynamic nature. Great article otherwise. which can mean a clinging substance, a leech or a worm, and a blood clot, or blood in a general sense. The Verse does not even mention the 7 Earths like what is mentioned in the last verse of Surah at-Talaq. You can watch a lecture based on the content of this essay by Hamza Andreas Tzortzis here. Take care of yourself :D Relax, don't get so worked up. Now if they are not, then how can you take their material and spread it around as so called ‘original material’ related to the Qur’an? Hordes Of The Underdark Item Codes,
The Hafiz has given one reply to this issue. Again, this reminds me of certain Hadeeth fabricator establishments that would fabricate Ahaadeeth with good intentions in the early centuries of Islam to attract people into more worship or make them better practitioners of the religion.
Uses Of Xenon,
These include, 1. I think it’s more likely that he doesn’t want to debate me…. Mum Vs Raj T20 2010,
Below is a summary: 1. The one who engages otherwise is basically causing harm as we are now saying.
Bulk Powders Referral Code,
They have been looking for proofs whether the atom is divisible or not. Now i worry that on the basis of hadith Allah created Adam alayhis salam on his image they will argue for Allah’s nipples, arm pit hair, nails, nasal hair, and the rest i leave you to expand on. He is a complete idiot.
Why don’t we go back to the traditional approach of the Salaf as-Saalihin such as Imaam Abu Haneefa and Imam Maalik, rather than keep bringing new approaches (bid’aat).
Hamza Tzortzis [NEW] 2018 ? Is it an abrogated authentic Hadeeth? If such scientific knowledge was available, then a exhaustive study of the Prophetic and Arab history must be done to establish the impossibility of the Prophet Muhammad (upon whom be peace) or any 7th century Arab could have accessed such information.
The Qur’ān says: “We said: Get down all of you from this place (the Paradise), then whenever there comes to you guidance from Me, and whoever follows My guidance, there shall be no fear on them, nor shall they grieve.”[50], The above verse refers to Adam and Eve (upon whom be peace).
Can somebody clarify what the conclusion by this sheikh is?
For this reason, I am offering a new approach to the topic that is nuanced and bypasses the intellectual hurdles and problems faced by the scientific miracles narrative. The only idiocy is defending Islamism and their lackeys.
Will they not then believe?”[27]. Raheem Sterling was born in Kingston, Jamaica on Thursday, December 8, 1994. This is what happens when one does not have a clue about Tafseer methodology and Arabic, and is purely thinking in terms of English rhetoric. It is so sad that this material is still out there and everyone is reading about these things in the name of Islam.
You have no free will.
I have friendships that have lasted for decades. Then a probability analysis of the verse must be performed. (Note that being an Arab does not make you superior to non-Arabs. This is so sad. The question itself is legitimate enough; in the current age, though, appealing to the linguistic miracle of the Quran is not very convincing, since few people know Arabic well enough to see this miracle clearly, let alone explain it to non-Muslims; and this article suggests that appealing to scientific knowledge is not the right way to respond. We must be careful when we discuss this type of proof to make sure that it comes from proper Muslim theologians, the reason being that many times, what is presented by Christians, Hindus, or casual Theists as a proof for the Existence of God would be rejected by Muslim scholars themselves.
Spain seems to be moving to the French model in regards to non-Catholics, but remaining almost non-secular in relation to Catholicism. In light of the above, Muslims who have adopted the science in the Qur’ān narrative may argue that what I have presented is pessimistic. His central point once was "if you're a non-believer you can't claim objective moral values" and that he has a problem with it. o In ‘Ilm al-Kalaam, scholars study the atom, molecules and compositions. When explained by the true scholars, it is easy to understand the Qur’an.
Wa al-Salam, Is that a sign that you are accepting your utter inadequacy to partake in a rational discussion? Where does science fit into it?
Let me first reply to Moe: as I said in my post, PIERO SAID:
2. I don't this makes sense either since neither are truth claims. Do Fiqh scholars use it as part of Islamic jurisprudence?
But unfortunately people are not willing to follow Islam because changing your own self is harder, the easy route is to engage in intellectual conversion.
Tom Topping School Board, In light of the above, the argument that the Qur’ān is a miracle because the descriptions of certain words it uses seem to relate to descriptions of words used in scientific facts, is logically fallacious. Kent Shocknek Earthquake,
How can you take a scientific theory like the Big Bang which is based on certain assumptions and has competing, alternative theories facing it (like quantum gravity) and use that as a proof to show the veracity of a Mutawaatir, 100% certain verse?
He claimed that the Qur’ān did not predate modern scientific conclusions in the field. What papers have they published with regards to Islamic jurisprudence, Hadeeth, Tafseer or any other Islamic sciences? Why doesn’t he just share his experiences with people and not repeat his mistakes, as this is affecting many people. One good article to start out with is at: http://sunnianswers.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/the-foundations-of-the-religion/. @cag Of course if people exaggerate the use of empiricism and claim that that is the only way to progress in science then we say it is the attitude problem rather than methodology. #post 13
In other words, it must not be a tenuous link. Regrettably, large numbers of these ‘Imams’ are not interested in the affairs of people, let alone the Muslims. What are the conditions laid down in Usool at-Tafseer to be able to make comments on Qur’anic verses? So we need to understand the differences between someone accepted as an authority in Islam by consensus and someone who has knowledge of the Qur’an and Hadith but is not a formal authority. The main problem with strong empiricism is that it can only base its conclusions on observed realities and cannot make conclusions on unobserved realities.
This is not the way to go through a learning curve.
Science or scientists do not favour such absurd claims. Since this statement has the form of an unrestricted universal generalization, it follows that no finite number of observations can conclusively establish its truth. Gamers Guide To Pretty Much Everything Season 1 Episode 10, Double Story House For Sale In Craigieburn, Numerical Methods For Ordinary Differential Equations John C Butcher.
If we were to go along with this, would it mean that the creation of non-humans through evolution was not a miracle? It is also imprecise, because would we then include the social or the life sciences under such terminology?
"I think it is not worth debating him in front of a crowd of his intellectal peers" Its worth a listen as it exhibits the tactics employed by…Read more →
One attempt to reconcile the theory of evolution and the orthodox interpretation of the Qur’ān is to accept evolution for non-humans and to claim that the creation of Adam was a miracle. By the way, you're very immature for someone your age.
Also Gracie Brazilian Jiu Jitsu | TheDeenShow, The Evil of Black Magic ??
o Hamza Tzortzis is one of the public speakers speaking on behalf of Islam.
'Maryam Namzie', the doors of forgiveness is not closed till the day of resurrection. Broadford Land For Sale, In his two examples, the one about embryology is valid and clear. These responses have created an unresolved dilemma for the empiricist. Imagine an unqualified surgeon teaching others how to do surgery on a patient through trial and error.
Yes, the way you say things matters, your personality matters, your manners matter. Attempt a reply.
When people cannot attack the Qur’an and Islam directly, some so-called Muslims ‘scholars’ are opening holes for the enemies to attack the Qur’an and to refute something which is not Qur’an but is simply presented as if it were the Qur’an. True @Nina, Maryam is the one of greatest names in Islam. The simple answer is we need a new approach. [There is also the problem of interpreting the literal meaning of the word as a metaphorical one. They only exist for a moment.
[55] So from this perspective it agrees with the predominant scientific view of the time.
Err, yes that's why he was so busy promoting his debate with me and talking about before it was even set!
What about the alternative valid interpretations of these verses that are unscientific or crude? o The bigger question is: “Can you really understand the Qur’an?” When I say Qur’an I mean the original Arabic text I am referring to, not the translation or the Tafseer books which are translated to English or any other language. It is similar to nature, there are some verses which are fixed and clear and there are also other verses with dynamic nature. Great article otherwise. which can mean a clinging substance, a leech or a worm, and a blood clot, or blood in a general sense. The Verse does not even mention the 7 Earths like what is mentioned in the last verse of Surah at-Talaq. You can watch a lecture based on the content of this essay by Hamza Andreas Tzortzis here. Take care of yourself :D Relax, don't get so worked up. Now if they are not, then how can you take their material and spread it around as so called ‘original material’ related to the Qur’an? Hordes Of The Underdark Item Codes,
The Hafiz has given one reply to this issue. Again, this reminds me of certain Hadeeth fabricator establishments that would fabricate Ahaadeeth with good intentions in the early centuries of Islam to attract people into more worship or make them better practitioners of the religion.
Uses Of Xenon,
These include, 1. I think it’s more likely that he doesn’t want to debate me…. Mum Vs Raj T20 2010,
Below is a summary: 1. The one who engages otherwise is basically causing harm as we are now saying.
Bulk Powders Referral Code,
They have been looking for proofs whether the atom is divisible or not. Now i worry that on the basis of hadith Allah created Adam alayhis salam on his image they will argue for Allah’s nipples, arm pit hair, nails, nasal hair, and the rest i leave you to expand on. He is a complete idiot.
The ‘matn’ must be seen as a divine message and not as a puzzle book or a mystery homicide case waiting to be resolved. He was a strong argumentator against the Mutazila, and although he knew logic and philosophy perfectly well he did not use Mantiq rules. I guess you failed to answer the question even this second time, so let us try again, but this time read it from the original Arabic as ‘Sama’. A problem with this is that since the scientific evidence for non-human evolution is the same or similar as the evidence used to conclude human evolution, it would be incoherent to call it a miracle, because one would have to accept the same scientific evidence for one and reject it for another, which is tantamount to rejecting the all of the science.[51].
